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OuzelBird · Joined: 21 Jun 2009 Posts: 5

Flanker, unless you have an intelligent comment to make kindly keep your prejudiced, racist views to yourself.

a19geo · Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Hartlepool

Flanker, (if thats spelt right), i was tempted to reply immediately to your post, but was busy.
I'm not sure wether you just chucked it in with tongue in cheek, to stir it up or were serious, maybe a bit of a nutter, being so wrong on most things.
First, nowt to do with where they came from, just that they were introduced.
'scuse my ig'orance, but what's an "in-and-out animal"?
If you wonder what my earlier coment about (Charles for King) was, he is a passionate naturalist & advocates the need to get rid of the grays.
Reds run away......Type in "squirrel pox" to google images.
Focus on Reds........there IS lots of work being done (not enough) to help in every way.
Number one killer.........drivers are not the number one, = GRAYS.
Just bought a squirrel trap from www.trapman.co.uk

Flanker · Joined: 12 Aug 2009 Posts: 11 Location: WA, USA

The argument of gray squirrels being nonnative to the Great Britain is TOTALLY IRRELATIVE – gray squirrels have existed in that country for around 130 years!!! Considering that fact, the squirrel murderers who use that non nativeness argument to justify killing of grays are deranged or evil; no other way!

The “beautiful-in-and-out” animal is one whose both nature (character) and the body, are beautiful.

The gray squirrels DO NOT KILL the red squirrels. They do not attack the reds. Both subspecies have always and everywhere lived in harmony.

There has not been a huge number of red squirrels that died from the parapox virus (I grief for each one of them). There is evidence that they are starting to develop immunity to it. That’s exactly how it used to be with the gray squirrels (some of them are still dying from that virus). The parapox virus is NOT a threat to survival of the red squirrel as a species.

Gray squirrels DO NOT DESTROY the woodland habitat. Barking trees does not cause destruction of the woodlands. On the other hand, debarked trees create a favorable environment for fungi and invertebrates to grow that attract birds feeding on them.

The main reason that the red squirrels moved north up to Scotland is because that is where the coniferous trees grow. Blame the deforestation and planting of deciduous trees in England by your fellow conservationists.

What barbaric, senseless idea is it anyway to value trees more than the most adorable animals on earth!

I for one have buried in the last five years remains of around twenty squirrels, killed by automobiles on the streets in the city, that I knew PERSONALLY. The bandit-drivers DO NOT STOP (when they see them) for squirrels. I witnessed that hundreds of time. It’s like that all over the world!

To all people with their humanity intact it should be totally obvious that squirrels were not created for the purpose of hunting. In terms of human depravity eating squirrels is just one step below cannibalism.

If you REALLY want to contribute to the conservation of the red squirrels: Go plant coniferous trees; go shoot out all the natural predators of squirrels – martins, raccoons, foxes, wolves, coyotes, feral cats, and all the bandit-raptors.

You British people have shown lastly your national character: You are filled with hostility and resentment against the American cultural invasion insomuch that you have been willing to take them on the poor, innocent, beautiful, adorable animal – the gray squirrel!

a19geo · Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Hartlepool

Flanker, it would be easy to leave you with your opinions, as you wont change, as indeed I wont. ( cos I'm right).
Some prompt a reply.

Thanks for explaining that "in" means inside, as well as out.

It is a bit IRRELEVANT where they came from, the fact is they are here, & are wiping out the Reds rapidly.

"Gray squirrels DO NOT KILL the red squirrels." Explain this fact :-
There is a large Dene, (wooded valley) near where I live that had a healthy population of Reds. The greys arrived & within 10 to 20 years all the reds are nomore. The trees are the same, there is not a vehicle road, the Reds have not ran away to Scotland, only one change, the greys arrival. FACT.

"cannibalism" are all meat eaters, of all meats, just below cannibals ?

& lastly this puzzles & concerns me, "You British people have shown lastly your national character" !!!!!!! WTF, "filled with hostility and resentment against the American cultural invasion "
For a compassionate animal lover, someone seems to have a huge chip on their shoulder. I've already told you its not true.
In-fact as someone who cares about the English language (I dont claim to be good at it) I appreciate some of the things Yanks, can I say that? have done. For example, Gotten, when said with a strong US accent sounds very American, but it is an old English word PRESERVED over there & returned to us, Gee thanks. I was a motor engineer, & prefer your word for our Silencer = Muffler, far more accurate, etc.
Why the hostility to Brits that seems to go deeper that us helping Reds by culling Greys.
Putting my psychologists cap on, might it be guilt for overwhelming the native RED indians? Ouch! Smile

(Banter, not too serious)

OuzelBird · Joined: 21 Jun 2009 Posts: 5

Flanker, you are remarkably ignorant, racist and prejudiced. There is a wealth of information freely available on the internet that disproves just about everything you claim.
I suggest you do some research to avoid making a fool of yourself further!

norrisatthey · Joined: 19 Aug 2007 Posts: 9 Location: Ulgham Morpeth

I assume this is the man from Aberdeen interfering in a Northumberland problem.He is no doubt an animal activist and presumably dislikes killing of such other invasive species as mink which we all know were released illegally causing mayhem to our natural wildlife.There is no doubt in my mind that greys will be eliminated from Northumberland this decade.However I must confess at getting frustrated at times with the authorities when the wrong messages get sent out. For instance Natural England gave the Wildlife Sanctuary at Ulgham a licence to display two greys instead of prosecuting them for having them in captivity without a licence.

a19geo · Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Hartlepool

Anybody know where flanker comes from? He/she is on my list.
I assumed American from the comments. Could be that terribly misguided person that has done unbelievable things. (cant bear to mention)
I wonder why the greys are displayed at Ulgham, is it for identification? "know thy enemy" or showing them as another cuddly animal, cos they aren't bad looking, just a devastating effect.
I was dismayed at the lack of interest when i reported greys being fed at the bird hide at Brockhole -The National Park Visitor Centre, Lakedistrict.

Flanker · Joined: 12 Aug 2009 Posts: 11 Location: WA, USA

a19geo wrote:

Flanker, it would be easy to leave you with your opinions, as you wont change, as indeed I wont. ( cos I'm right).
Some prompt a reply.

Thanks for explaining that "in" means inside, as well as out.

It is a bit IRRELEVANT where they came from, the fact is they are here, & are wiping out the Reds rapidly.

"Gray squirrels DO NOT KILL the red squirrels." Explain this fact :-
There is a large Dene, (wooded valley) near where I live that had a healthy population of Reds. The greys arrived & within 10 to 20 years all the reds are nomore. The trees are the same, there is not a vehicle road, the Reds have not ran away to Scotland, only one change, the greys arrival. FACT.

"cannibalism" are all meat eaters, of all meats, just below cannibals ?

& lastly this puzzles & concerns me, "You British people have shown lastly your national character" !!!!!!! WTF, "filled with hostility and resentment against the American cultural invasion "
For a compassionate animal lover, someone seems to have a huge chip on their shoulder. I've already told you its not true.
In-fact as someone who cares about the English language (I dont claim to be good at it) I appreciate some of the things Yanks, can I say that? have done. For example, Gotten, when said with a strong US accent sounds very American, but it is an old English word PRESERVED over there & returned to us, Gee thanks. I was a motor engineer, & prefer your word for our Silencer = Muffler, far more accurate, etc.
Why the hostility to Brits that seems to go deeper that us helping Reds by culling Greys.
Putting my psychologists cap on, might it be guilt for overwhelming the native RED indians? Ouch! :-) (Banter, not too serious)

You continue repeating the British, deep-seated, malevolent lie that gray squirrels have been wiping out the red squirrels. Grays do certainly chase away reds to reclaim and protect their territory. They do it to the reds because they happen to be stronger physically than the reds; they do NOT do it just because the reds are of different squirrel subspecies. Displacing the reds this way IS NO JUSTIFICATION FOR EXTERMINATION OF THE GRAYS!

It is impossible to guess with certainty the reason of disappearance of the reds from that “Dene”. Natural predators such as various raptors might have killed them off. From what I can conclude, your scientific standard is to blame the grays directly for the disappearance, even though you have no conclusive proof of it at all. What I know for sure is that the grays certainly did not attack the reds and killed them.

To help the red squirrels multiply:

1. Implement mass-planting of coniferous, walnut, pecan, and hazel trees
2. Build squirrel feeding stations in all coniferous and mixed woodlands
3. Change traffic laws – make squirrel-right-of-way the rule
4. Educate drivers of automobiles about behavior of squirrels on streets and roads (in face of danger, instead of speeding away squirrels frequently stop in place paralyzed by fear)
5. Put up “Drivers STOP for squirrels!” road signs in all park and woodland areas
6. Increase spending on squirrel pox research

Your point about cannibalism is incomprehensible.

Regarding the real reason of the mass-murder of the grays, being in reality the British hostility against Americans: You can deny it as much as you want. To no avail, though. You people in Britain CANNOT HELP BUT LET IT SHOW IN YOUR COMMENTS AND ARGUMENTS! It is explicit or implicit; open or hidden; in text or subtext!

OuzelBird, it is YOU, who is ignorant and a demagogue. I have researched the whole issue of the mass-murder of squirrels in Great Britain enough to know about it. It is the majority of the people of Great Britain, who have proved to be despicable people as evidenced by their pathological, blood-thirsty hostility against the “alien” gray squirrel. There are, thank God, some broad-minded, morally-healthy people, who have been saving the face of Britain, after all. One of them is Professor Acorn (Grey-Squirrel.org.uk - Professor Acorn's We're as native as you!). His facts are well researched; he himself makes a strong impression of being sincere, honest and objective.

norrisatthey and a19geo: Your evil shown in your approach to the issue of the gray squirrels is STRIKING!

I am the WORLDWIDE squirrel-protector. I will be after you – despicable, squirrel-murderers – wherever you are on this planet!

a19geo · Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Hartlepool

Perhaps my point is incomprehensible because its a reply to one of Flanker's daft statements.
"eating squirrels is just one step below cannibalism."
I'll try & put it a bit more simple.
If eating squirrel meat is close to cannibalism, then eating any other meat is just as bad. Anyway, cannibalism is eating your own species, so as usual.......WRONG.

a19geo · Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 10 Location: Hartlepool

After thoughts,(3) (i must stop reacting to you know who)

List of red help would be better:-
1. Stop pox or its effects.
2. Sterilize pox carriers

An old saying was something like, they're over-weight, over-sexed & over-here.

Don't keep telling me I dislike Americans (although a few are wierdos) as i certainly do not. In-fact i would prefer your, pollution! of our language, with more sensible spelling.